Profilactic Mashup - sunbuns

twitter: [CMNM] Mix: The above amateur photos of guys getting naked with clothed friends were forwarded in a group email ... http://bit.ly/9VDu1V

Tue, 09 Mar 2010 19:18:37 GMT

sunbuns: [CMNM] Mix: The above amateur photos of guys getting naked with clothed friends were forwarded in a group email ... http://bit.ly/9VDu1V

twitter: Fooling around http://bit.ly/9TlPjN

Tue, 09 Mar 2010 19:09:36 GMT

sunbuns: Fooling around http://bit.ly/9TlPjN

twitter: Kelly-SB Blog: 友情像一棵樹木，要慢慢的栽培，才能成長真的友誼，要經過困難考驗，才可友誼永固...............: 友情像一棵樹木，要慢慢的栽培，才能成長真的友誼，要經過困難考驗，才可友誼永固......... http://bit.ly/aqLqFl

Tue, 09 Mar 2010 13:42:16 GMT

sunbuns: Kelly-SB Blog: 友情像一棵樹木，要慢慢的栽培，才能成長真的友誼，要經過困難考驗，才可友誼永固...............: 友情像一棵樹木，要慢慢的栽培，才能成長真的友誼，要經過困難考驗，才可友誼永固......... http://bit.ly/aqLqFl

twitter: We are the Cheeky Boys http://bit.ly/dqhIxb

Mon, 08 Mar 2010 12:04:51 GMT

sunbuns: We are the Cheeky Boys http://bit.ly/dqhIxb

twitter: Locker Room Behavior: Life at a glance http://bit.ly/drMhGx

Fri, 05 Mar 2010 01:32:56 GMT

sunbuns: Locker Room Behavior: Life at a glance http://bit.ly/drMhGx

twitter: Painted On Pics #747-750: It must be some kind of unspoken bond and symbolic mode of communication between young m... http://bit.ly/aud2kz

Fri, 05 Mar 2010 00:59:36 GMT

sunbuns: Painted On Pics #747-750: It must be some kind of unspoken bond and symbolic mode of communication between young m... http://bit.ly/aud2kz

Kelly's Second Life (blog): Painted On Pics #747-750

Fri, 05 Mar 2010 00:59:00 GMT

It must be some kind of unspoken bond and symbolic mode of communication between young men to stand together for these obligatory photographs. It's like they are saying collectively: "I've got one, you've got one, too, so let's show them off, guys." It's group un-think - a kind of primordial or neanderthal mentality that modern men just can't resist expressing. Well, that's my theory.

Whatever the reason, you only can only stand back and admire. (smile).

----------The above amateur photos of young athletes in form-fitting lycra and spandex sportswear were forwarded in a group email message ----------
From: atitlan on his [ymna] Google group.

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twitter: Painted On Pics #713-716: Guys tight clothes are hot!---------- The above amateur photos of young athletes in lycr... http://bit.ly/cBegJE

Sun, 28 Feb 2010 08:28:40 GMT

sunbuns: Painted On Pics #713-716: Guys tight clothes are hot!---------- The above amateur photos of young athletes in lycr... http://bit.ly/cBegJE

Kelly's Second Life (blog): Painted On Pics #713-716

Sun, 28 Feb 2010 08:28:00 GMT

Guys tight clothes are hot!

---------- The above amateur photos of young athletes in lycra, and tight-fitting sports clothes were forwarded in a group email message ----------
From: atitlan his [ymna2] Yahoo group and on the [ymna] Google group.

For more info, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/ymna?hl=en-GB.

twitter: Freedom of the cheeks / La Liberté de la Fesse: "The Freedom of the Cheeks" is a grass roots movement which grew f... http://bit.ly/9OckU1

Sun, 28 Feb 2010 05:33:39 GMT

sunbuns: Freedom of the cheeks / La Liberté de la Fesse: "The Freedom of the Cheeks" is a grass roots movement which grew f... http://bit.ly/9OckU1

Kelly's Second Life (blog): Freedom of the cheeks / La Liberté de la Fesse

Sun, 28 Feb 2010 05:33:00 GMT

"The Freedom of the Cheeks" is a grass roots movement which
grew from some students within the French university, Sciences
Politiques at Lille. It is based on a simple principle: to pose in front
of the most beautiful landscapes in the world or the most
symbolic places and in the same position. This position became
our trademark."

So says this website in its English translation:
http://www.libertedelafesse.org/presentation_eng.php

Above are a few photographs of a short series that illustrate
their point (or points) that were distributed on the Yahoo group: YMNA2

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The webmaster of the La Liberte de la Fesse (site) commented (as Concours) on my blog entry on Kelly's Second Life

This is a response to his comment and request:
Sorry that I'm using an English-only PC just now. Besides, it takes me too long to write in French (especially 'correctement' ).

http://sunbuns.blogspot.com/2010/02/pour-la-liberte-de-la-fesse-grass-roots.html#comments

I don't know if you were joking but I did make a few changes in your 'English' in my own posting:

"The Freedom of the Cheeks" (Butts) is a grass roots movement which
grew from some students within the French university, Sciences
Politiques at Lille. It is based on a simple principle: to pose in front
of the most beautiful landscapes in the world or the most
symbolic places and in the same position. This position became
our trademark."

I could probably do some more 'suggestions' for improving the translation.. but not right now.

I did not mean for it to be insulting, it's a pretty good translation of the French on your group's website.
Those words ('less-than-perfect') belonged to the person who sent me the original link (Atitlan). You should know that no translation can ever be really 'perfect', anyway.

How in the world could anyone attempt to 'perfectly' translate J.P. Sartre's quote? (although I'm sure someone has tried to do so).

I also have a suggestion about publishing your book of photographs.
Perhaps you could try to do your own publication? (self-publishing).

There are some websites for companies/services that allow people to publish (make a printed book) out of their own photographs and blogs. The price is not too unreasonable and there is evidently a discount for printing many copies.

Here are few links to such sites:

www.blurb.com

www.webook.com

www.tikatok.com

www.lulu.com

I have not actually used any of them, but it may be something you could investigate. Also, there may be similiar sites / companies in Europe (e.g. France).

Cheers,

Kelly sunbuns / sunbunz The Gay Blogger

Kelly's Second Life (blog): 'Race/ Ethnicity' Emerges as the next big issue for Gay Society'

Sun, 28 Feb 2010 04:57:00 GMT

The topic always emerges. Gay men are also now in the grips of a re-evaluation of what gays should or should say/do/think about race relations, racial equality, and the differences between preferences (likes/dislikes) and prejudices.

There are excepts from several gay online discussion groups and my own reactions posted therein.

brzldude
Brazil : São Paulo

Follow up: brzldude
17 Feb 2010, 05:45

Asians, I Love them! !

bcbud4u
Canada : British Columbia :

Follow up: bcbud4u
17 Feb 2010, 11:07

Asian guys are cuties.

sn2rxn
Canada : Alberta :

Follow up: sn2rxn
23 Feb 2010, 12:32

would love to date other asian men. but thanks to the institutionalized self-loathing that occcurs where i come from, it's become quite difficult.

sunbuns99
U.S.A. : Hawaii / Tokyo

Follow up: sunbuns99*
28 Feb 2010, 10:01

I'm very curious about what sn2rxn says.
Are you a recent immigrant to Canada from an Asian country? Or are you talking about the way other Canadian guys of Asian descent who were born and raised in Edmonton feel about themselves?

I live in Japan - a place where there are relatively very little other races of people (yes, there are long-term immigrants (1st-, 2nd-, 3rd- or longer generation families from Korea, China, Southeast Asia, even India but very very few) Most Asian immigrants have completely assimilated through inter-marriage.

So I know what's it like to live for decades as an extreme racial minority (being the 'standard' caucasian white guy) in a 99.7% Japanese society. I work in an organization that has over 7000 employees but there are only 2 full-time 'white' people (and probably less than 40 other ethnicities represented).

For the most part, I don't feel discriminated against. In fact, there tends to be the opposite effect -- kind of a reverse (positive) discrimination. But that has its drawbacks too. Others assume I'm better than I really am at some things and then don't expect enough from me for other things.

There is a constant stress of overcoming intercultural communication barriers - but I cannot completely understand WHY things happen as they do. Language isn't the issue - it's the underlying values, attitudes and expectations about how things are supposed to (or not) work. I always run into some conflict for 'suggesting' or insisting there can be a solution to some 'problem' when others don't even see the problem exists.
Of course that could happen in any society/situation - but it is more of real, daily problem when you are an extreme cultural/racial minority.
Japan and the US could not be more opposite culturally in many ways. Of course, it makes life 'interesting' (tranquil smile)

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18 Dec 2009, 02:03 Hi everyone,

Lately I've been reading a lot of profiles on gay.com, dudesnude, and manhunt that have messages like
- "no fems fats or Asians"
- "Don't do blacks"
- "Asians need not apply"

From the other forums I've read it seems there are two views:

1. There is nothing wrong with having racial preferences.
2. It is racist to exclude people in this way because there is no single physical trait that is particular to one race.

Perhaps most people agree that everyone has preferences and they can do little about them, but I find it curious that so many list people they are not interested in as opposed to listing those whom they are seeking out.

Another related issue is that minority groups often get fetishized -- i.e., some men are into them exclusively -- i.e., "rice queens," "bean queens," etc.

I'd be interested in hearing about people's views and experiences in these respects. Rather than just having short messages like "luv asians here" or "blacks don't do it for me," I am hoping to get an interesting discussion going.

What are your feelings and experiences on these issues?
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Follow up: lkngaround
14 Feb 2010, 01:27

i think i can sum this up...

those of us who are minorities in a eurocentric world have a very different experience when it comes to race as it relates to sexual appetites. those people are simply more likely [dare i say entitled?] to bitch about this experience.

those of us who are heavier in a world where slimmer and more muscular are seen as more attractive have a very different experience when it comes to physical build as it relates to sexual appetites. those people simply have more reason to bitch about this experience. [count the profiles that state they're only into "fat" guys]

even if someone states in a profile "no white dudes" or "no rippled torsos," it'll sure hurt a lot less. fact of the matter is, mr. white-and-fit has a billion other dudes to choose from. he's in a place of privilege.

when this gentleman joins a thread like this, i imagine he'll be one of those who say "it's just a preference! it's just taste! it's not racist! it's just what i'm attracted to!" seen it time and time again.

mister asian/black/overweight has a smaller pool to pick from, so it's not something to be brushed off that blithely for him. and to add insult to injury, there's a very good chance that when someone does notice this guy, it's in a fetishistic nature, so he's made out to be someone's teddybear/bigblackrapist/servileandrogyn ouseasiansextoy.

this isn't all. of importance are: possible self hate in minorities, colorism [skin color preferences within races] which only introduces ALL the same issues but on a different level of racial breakdown, the question of "nature vs. nurture" [do we like who we like because we just do, or is it because of the popular aesthetic? could we actually enjoy the intimate company of someone we write off as 'not our type'?]

etc.

i'm not going to complain that this thread has been started for the millionth time. i love the dialogue. i just ask that anyone who posts be willing to question what they've held to be true, and put themselves in everyone else's shoes for a minute. it's a lot to take in, but taking in a lot is what we do ;-)

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Follow up: blka'dam [msg]
20 Feb 2010, 16:31

i am a black guy from south-america living in the netherlands,and i find it rather disturbing when people very clearly state ,no blacks/asian or what ever in there profiles/adverts.it makes me wanna puke,just coz of my skin color u are not into me.i would much rather see people stating what they are looking for and not what they are NOT looking for.,but then again everybody is free to like what they will.and i do not think we should classify these people as being sexual racists,just not into blacks/asians is a personal preference.and on the otherhand let`s not forget all those "white"chocalatechasers who will fuck with anything not caucasian.

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Response from Sunbuns (Kelly)

It's difficult to respond - seriously or almost to even attempt to treat the subject of sexual preferences as defined or limited by a person's race intellectually (notwithstanding emotionally / psychologically) ... but I'll try (and have done so elsewhere at times before on DN).

It's seem I'm 'damned if I do' (want something / somebody of my own 'race' or not my own), but also 'damned if I don't ' (for not being 'open').

Now am I supposeded to feel guilty for marrying a Japanese (from whose race and country I was not born into)?
Am I a racist (kind of reverse discrimination if I author a gay blog devoted to admiring Asian men (although I'm mainly caucasian)?

I know the discussion finished here a week ago (last posting was Feb 20), but it's still an ages-old discussion and far from reaching a satisfactory conclusion (yet)....

How I can we breach the irrationality of these two seemingly opposite concepts (A vs B) below (taken from the post just above this one).

A. "everybody is free to like what they will, and I do not think we should classify these people as being sexual racists"

B. "Let`s not forget all those "white" chocolate-chasers who will fuck with anything that's not caucasian"
(quoted from above)

So are you (we/he/they) saying that:

if you're 'white' and like/love men of color, then you are are a 'sexual racist' who wants to overlord his ethnically inferiors as sexual conquests (post-modern colonialism).

But if you are black (or another racial group) and love/like white guys, then you are just expressing your inner preferences and exercising your rights (as gay man or human or wherever they are derived)?

One pandemic error that I am convinced is rampant (among billiions of human) is the way that the 'race' question gets reduced to simply black and white distinctions. I am not talking about human skin colors (B/W).. I mean - right/wrong, good/bad, left/right -- polarizing things by categorizing everything into extremes:

Democrat / Republican, Christian / Muslim, Gay/ Straight, Racist/Humanist (?), Fem/Masculine , Top/Bottom...

Extreme racial prejudice that becomes a life(style/purpose) full of discrimination and deliberate isolation from other races is not what most people are thinking when they casually refer to someone or his profile's turns-on/ turn-offs as 'racist.'

An 'ethnict' - closed-minded refusal to accept different ethnic groups is how this 'mentality' is sometimes (and maybe more appropriately) called.

In other places, that belief system is called 'religion' (LOL - sardonic grin!).

Maybe could adopt a more specific term, such as:

Against other races -->
anti-Asian, anti-white, anti-black, anti-African, anti-Semitic, anti-Hispanic, anti-ethnic, anti-diversity, anti-GWM, anti-GAM

since these termrs are specific and might be better words/ways to describe a person who admits (very crassly)

The point is that he wants to avoid having to peronally tell someone that he prefers his own racial group to fuck/suck or from some other specific ethnic group when someone 'contacts' him on DN.
He'd rather be perceived as a closed-minded and fixed in his preferences than to be thought to as a jerk, or crass idiot. (Weird ... ?)

Proposed solution:

We could adopt 'tags' or words that everyone could recognize (and understand) more clearly in our profiles:

POSITIVE (For) : Pan-Ethnic, Pan-Ethnist (a person who likes all race and ethnic groups.

For example, Pro-Asian vs Anti-Asian (of course, this has a political interpretation, too - so it might not work).

Or for someone who's isn't sure, or doesn't actually know until they would actually meet a person of a different race, and get to know him, they could say something like:

Negative Tags (or at least less insulting (?)

White-selective, Asian-selective
or something a little stronger (leaning one way or another)...
such as...

Black-Restrictive / White-Prohibitive

Just think about it, meals in hospitals and airliners on long haul flight (well.. when you used to get meals) were designated as: sodium-free or low-sodium diets / meals..
lactose-free, carbohydrate-restricted..

Perhaps .. some people could use similar words "racially and politicallly (more) correct ways" (?) to describe their attittudes and preferences:

Example:
I'm a caucasian-tolerant, Asian-restrictive,
Black-preferring GAY MAN.

Not a perfect system .. but a start (or maybe you think I joking -- I'm not).

It took us 3-4 decades before the term 'PC' (politically correct) emerged and become part of US national discourse and everyday English language.

Maybe the gay community as a subgroup of the larger society (subset of the human mega-civilization) is at a point where it needs to come to grips with 'racially correct' terms and discourse.

I think the larger US (and other large civilizations, such as the European Union) is currently getting a better grip on how to handle 'diversity-friendly' or on being diversity-correct.

All of humanity still has a while to go before we reach the same general consensus on racial equality and how to speak of it and how to discuss racial inequality, too.

Respectfully submitted,

Kelly (sunbuns) http://kelly-sb.blogspot.com

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Sun, 21 Feb 2010 22:30:57 GMT

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Thu, 18 Feb 2010 23:53:50 GMT

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twitter: Kelly-SB Blog: 從來名利地,皆起是非心。 ........................................: 從來名利地,皆起是非心。 .................................. http://bit.ly/c6TLfN

Mon, 15 Feb 2010 13:44:41 GMT

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twitter: Clothing-optional Thursday - OFF: #7 http://bit.ly/9oVuhv

Mon, 15 Feb 2010 12:37:25 GMT

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Fri, 12 Feb 2010 05:51:31 GMT

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Fri, 12 Feb 2010 05:43:08 GMT

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Tue, 09 Feb 2010 10:15:51 GMT

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Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:48:43 GMT

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